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🤷‍♀️ ([personal profile] goaltender) wrote2023-01-01 04:47 pm

CAPTAIN AMERICA

game 38 vs. sharks:
- number one pk in the league who?
- HAPPY NEW YEAR TO OLD MAN TIP-IN LEGEND JOSEPH JAMES PAVELSKI!!!!!!!!!

entering 2023 with both stars teams on top of the west... jim nill you absolute animal. 😵‍💫 anyway this isn't going to be a real post so apologies for lack of cohesion i just need to scream for a few minutes!

after roope signing:
seeing people say that pavs won't be able to come back now and it's like well that may be true and yes he's a ppg player but when u consider hine modeling his value largely after miro and how it's going to look once the cap increases and how quickly robo's bridge deal escalated with the start of the season looming it's just like, is it naive to think that there could be enough of a human/team culture element to it for him to want to stick around a little longer?

honestly i don't know why i ever doubted because when it comes down to it it seriously is like..... well frankly what reason does he even have to leave? i do think stars team culture as a whole is good and this partially factored into his willingness to take a pay cut but that's really just a piece of it, and when you look at the considerations of his age/family and dfw being a friendly area for hockey players to settle down near-retirement (no income tax, low market expectations/limited media pressure, etc.) it does slot into place easily. plus the stars are—as inconceivable as it may seem at times, keeping in mind their hole in the top 6 & general defensive deficiencies, plus some unnervingly good luck with injuries—objectively and numerically a good team at the moment. and pavs has never gotten his cup, and there's a point at which uprooting your entire family for... what? a potential few extra mil to round out your end-career years when you're being entrusted with the top line at 38, respected for your leadership without having to shoulder the actual media-facing burden of captaincy, not only on a ...contending... team but also actively helping develop its promising pool of upcoming talent, and essentially just genuinely valued and needed at every level of play, would be kind of dumb and really only an ego thing. and i think pavs is like. well what i like about the stars' social cohesion is that they don't need to be best friends to be genuinely good teammates. i think that's a quality pavs has and divulges to the younger players as a result, and that's why despite the stars locker room feeling ambiguous at times it's low on the ego scale and it becomes a place where shit just gets done. you put in the work and go home! professor pavs on his 9-5.

i do think part of this is that like... honestly it just feels like most of the players on this team are good at slotting into their expected roles properly, which when you look at (For Example) people like JT MILLER is actually not something to be taken for granted, and when we talk about winning culture this all comes from adaptability not just in play but re: the underlying psychological levels of accepting your deployment and usage with grace, especially as you age along your career. i think "leadership" is something that manifests in many various efforts too, like when we talk about active attempts at off-ice leadership it can be sort of ambiguous because the ways people need to be led obviously aren't universal. also male_bonding will literally reward the most inconceivably mundane venues of human affection and social interaction. and the stars have basically... this weird tiered leadership system because of 3 things that define its recent pains and successes: obviously 1491 contracts + jbenn captaincy, then unexpectedly fantastic drafting in 2017/2021 and the pavs ufa signing straight off his sharks captaincy, which means you've got different guys in different positions to leave others breathing room wherever they might need it to help the team move along. and i think that's shown a lot with benn and pavs helping johnny, because the stars getting so much young talent through the pipeline quickly when they've been a generally competitive team and stuck drafting late into the first and second round is impressive enough on its own, like just having a promising young rookie with the captain to anchor him on his line is one thing, but then also having This Other Guy with even more experience and the ability to mentor him elsewhere toward building a holistic nhl player profile is a really special combination that requires several key factors to align in subsequence the way it's happened with the stars.

like obviously i'm very attached to pavs's time with the sharks and i still think the way they scorned him for * is ridiculous but when you look back on it the guy has had such a solid and respectable career. of course would like him to hit 1k points first but he could retire now and there would be so much good to say about what he's accomplished. and you don't get that without knowing when to bend a little bit, or when to make accommodations and leave your ego at the door, and honestly credit to 1491 because i think they've also learned to roll with the team's tide in similar fashion. like the way the entire identity of this team was rewritten practically overnight with the 2017 draft can't be understated on basically every level imaginable, seeing how they've contributed majorly to why dallas have been able to combine playoff pushes (no matter how middling) with a still-promising prospect pool and saved them from the full tank and rebuild..... and i'm sure that's a weird thing to navigate when you're a homegrown pick and a huge part of the team's identity even if you aren't living up to the salary you have anymore.



the thing with professor pavs is that i'm like....... does he even like the kids on the team???? like obviously he isn't here to be friends with a bunch of 19 year olds. and yes he houses the kid but that's a sarah pavelski logistical masterclass at the end of the day. but also maybe that's just why it works. i think it's a 2-way thing where he does have enough generous instinct to want to guide these young players and help shape future success down the line even if he isn't on that roster in a few years, when wyatt and stanks and everyone else will be expected to fully hit their stride, but also when you're at that point in your career there must be some value to still being needed, and witnessing the direct fruits of your instructional labor is probably satisfying as hell. a lot of the discussion about finding another team is also that it's not just about the age factor and not wanting to take a chance on someone approaching 40 but when your established line is THAT good how can you even seek out the insecurity of another combination? which is again 2-way in the sense that some teams might undervalue him because of who he plays with (although that would be stupid) and then he himself is productively rewarded enough that i don't see why he'd want to disrupt such a consistently known variable.

sorry i don't know why i'm trying to break down old man psychology rn. anyway. tl;dr it's making me feel genuinely crazy that he's having this whole second act in dallas that might end up equaling his original legacy if he stays there long enough. i never really thought about it in palpable terms but.................

tl;dr [2] what's crazy is that he's doing the whole Just here to coach the new gen veteran presence thing while still producing at the top level. on pace to equal his career year at 37. brings out the best in roope and robo's game on a line where roope is the only one with significant rush metrics, master at positioning and elevating cerebral plays, top line synergy/60 a matter of genuine smarts and elite patience more than anything else. doesn't even play with wyatt and delly but has turned this whole team into deflection monsters. i don't know. stars are fun!

also sweet to see bichsel doing decently at world juniors right now. and i was of course right to anticipate cb98 being reunited with logan on his line LOL though it kills me how whenever some generational historical shit is happening there's always a random stars player/prospect kind of in the mix but not really..... like man is 2nd in w ppg behind bedsy and their line chemistry is insane and his gamescore metrics are nothing to scoff at but it's like. well he plays with bedard so who's going to care........ i feel insane about cb98 being all like "omg i used to idolize logan when we were younger he was the MAN in bc i looked up to him so much" as if he isn't barely 2 years younger than him girl relackssssss. he has such an obvious exceptionalplayerstatus generationalbaby complex it's insane. wonyoung moment. sorry i don't know why i said that
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[personal profile] lowhours 2023-01-03 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This is truly the sports journalism we need fr. I wonder if also seeing ben bishops obvious fondness/attachment to the org post Emotional Rollercoaster Retirement is just further evidence of it being the perfect Old Dogs Home... i mean that's mostly a form of visible evidence we have as outsiders and im sure there's way more goings-on behind the scenes but... still. Like even IF production dried up or injury took you out you could at least feel confident in the possibility of a transition to hockeyheaven (front office).

Thankyooooou fr though for this dynamics scholarship cause stars effectiveness / Good Room Culture is soooooo mysterious as a concept. even tho rlly i guess its in comparison w/ every other team, not like... real groups of actual friends, and the average Toxicity and Clashing Personalities amount is probably actually a little bit higher than most would like, so maybe coworkers who are strangers is comparatively ideal

does pavs even like anyone he works with
Realest question ever tho LMFAO. I would seriously kill for just 5 mins of mic'd up pp1 practice cause jbenn and pavs as the vets then miro/hintz doing their thing, and Also Robo is there is such a hilarious subunit concept. How do they talk to each other!!!!

Very minor off topic sidenote but i feel like hockeyfandom doesnt have Guys yelling at each other angrily as a sign of chemistry anymore... used to be that fighting about plays was a shipmoment. Now its lockerroomcancermoment...

Thank you for the stanklore 🙏 its so great when guys just like other players for fun and based on actual experiences tgt, its a nice reminder that sports is not meant to be a spreadsheet first medium (despite my best efforts).
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[personal profile] lowhours 2023-01-07 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
same re: overlong patience of front offices like fuarkkkk its kinda crazy actually how much of a GM's roster building job isn't just stats combos and playstyle compatibility but also trying to gaslight a group into cooperating w/ each other beyond the frontiers of their actual contractual obligations (lbr.... ). pavs being one of the few players willing to even admit to talking to analytics nerds is amazing though.

>> "the language and expectation of what a "team culture" should look like varies so much depending on whether you're media, a ~regular~ fan, a twitter/tumblr/rpf fan, etc." <<< rttttt i think a lot about that random reddit comment like "one time our whole beer league team was just pissing each other off really bad so we had a no holds barred fistfight in the locker room and it really cleared the air and we were fine the rest of the season" which just always cracks me up. cause like maybe some of these teams need that... obviously that's extreme and at the end of the day the nhl is Very Much A Workplace, but sometimes i feel like the rpf/fandom angle fails to grasp the casual maliciousness men will use to actually strengthen bonds. vs media which i guess is much more On Ice Results Oriented and mostly about ""selfish"" play / work ethic / accountability i guess..... but if u have comparisons in how you think the diff groups understand ~team culture~ i'd be interested to hear! even just using the example of the nux cause i was NAWT expecting jtm blorboadjacency i thought he'd be a perfect scapegoat for all fandom ills omg

pleathe the hunting i had to do to locate said content... the lack of anyone else there also makes it so much more haunting too. jbenn and robo mutual respect feels like such a tenuous balance that is perhaps only possible due to the big age gap / different era responsibilities. i think fairly often of jbenn ragging on the sedin twins on a radio show for being weird and conscientious and Upstanding Citizens or w/e lmfao and copping flak for it after (rightly so etc etc) bc it's like... oh so he hates geeks and dorks and nerds. well what if your heir was the biggest dork imaginable... cosmic punishment.

>roope definitely thinks he's annoying
honestly real though. i feel like jrob isn't even fun-annoying enough to break into the Class Clown / roster freak role which i think roope has more appreciation for than others, he's just kind of a know it all and not very cool LMFAO. it kinda is wild to see jrob be so bossy and assertive on ice bc his civilian-sona is so laidback and accomodating too. IS THAT NOT WEIRD? are you doing a *facewipe* END SCENE. after cooldowns??.... although ig it's easier for roope et al put up with that kind of bossiness when jrob's playing style is so generous and co-operative. which SPEAKING OF. both his best friends being the goalies is so on the nose!! how is he playing Like That but then being so aligned with the players who think of themselves as Apart and Slightly Separate...and funny this season to have the comparisons of mush and delly who flashed their Just A Guy cards upon arrival and were instantly established as key foundations in the Inner Guy Circle. i do feel like the eurocliques have more room for the sort of dork that jrob is but it would be so conspicuous and weird if that actually became his clique. wedge/nils/ROBO/otter leftovers friendline 2023 just for how funny that is conceptually

dont apologise for juniors content!! it's always fun to get some hints of incoming talent to the league and think about intl comps instead hehe.
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[personal profile] lowhours 2023-01-14 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
yeah that makes sense! and i think players are also more aware of themselves as being Consumed via different socmed / team pr / trad sports journalism channels as well as On Ice Performance....

>hrpf narrative collection
ok yeah that's a useful way of thinking about it.... even the kind of narratives that tend to be focused on, i think hrpf for Obvious Reasons are most interested in interpersonal dynamics and friendships and maybe some like key Character moments on ice (but that's more as secondary flavour). i do feel like hrpf used to be much more team narrative / team dynamics oriented but seems to be swinging more Blorbo/OTP tunnel vision these days........ which may or may not have to do with shifting PR strategies hmmm

i do feel reddit/regular fandom is more concerned with team performance narratives (rebuilding, going all in, play style, etc) but kinda more in terms of what's strategically useful for Winning or at least Satisfying Entertainment lol -> speaking of nux, because i feel like their fandom and media getting louder and louder w/ the STOP TREADING WATER AND JUST BLOW IT ALL UP ALREADY!!!!! I WOULD RATHER HAVE HOPE FOR THE FUTURE THAN ANOTHER VERY OBVIOUS FIRST ROUND PLAYOFFS EXIT is a good example of normies getting meta with it

>jrob otter normal but also evil alignment / goalie vs fwds
right like the mirror of otter's attitude living in a fwd is also funny to think about, and then to have them basically get slowly magnetically pulled together due to the desire to ":3" when ruining the other guy's cool trick.... obviously jrob's whole thing is I love scoring i love to get Goals it's my Craft and i Hone it etc etc but how much of that is more specifically i love to score on AN ENEMY and i love to get goals PAST SOME GUY...I LIKE TO TRICK YOU!!!... is it important to have the element of victory over SOMEONE in a duel-like format or is it just a pure skills accuracy thing where he'd be just as happy if he was doing weird fancy shots alone w/ a cardboard cutout. it's kinda weird that it isn't a more common attachment-style on various teams but maybe their specific balance of Caring A Lot About Made Up Points That Don't Matter is just uniquely compatible for same-age same-talent-level reasons. ia though on otter being more generally capable of bro-passing when needed, i feel like jrob-wedge friendship is so conspicuous bc it's like wow true jrob really is a 32yo new york times reader that no one knows what to do with bc if you're on a hockey team and under 25 you're meant to be semi-feral, not playing sudoku on your phone for 3 hours or whatever he does on plane rides





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[personal profile] lowhours 2023-01-23 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
tbh i forget about fans/actual irl crowds too often but it IS such a funny motivation!

>robo isolation and exclusivity
i had to reread the thread bc i started being like AND THEN ITS SO WEIRD BC HIS ACTUAL IN-GAME PLAYSTYLE IS SO TEAM ORIENTED / GENEROUS / etc and then was like wait ... i think i've already said this.... and I had lmfao. it just bugs me so much as a neat little curiosity...

lol i like that in real time as we discuss this the media blitz is continuing and pumping out even more content... that article was so interesting especially for how he's like "yeah so you see all the mistakes you made last game and then go out and fix them" and his coach is talking emotions and motivations and emphasising POSITIVITY lol. i am kind of enjoying seeing him like accidentally slowly reveal more and more very strange and odd behaviours/mentalities*, pr need to remember to focus on dumb youtube skits that make people LAUGH if they really want to FaceOfFranchise zone him

*to normal people, by hockey standards they're just par for the course

i saw the nrob season ending news and i seriously think that the only thing standing in the way of bawston sweeping EVERYTHING is how starz cup would be the cherry on top for cosmically testing nrobs brotherly loyalty during the worst year of his life :thumbsupemoji: