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why is it impossible to do any kind of significant analysis with existing ao3 scrapers for hrpf without suffering because the archive is 60% locked! been thinking about hrpf ships again and how it's so hard to do overviews of """popular""" ships the way you can with like f1 where there are only 20 active drivers + a few straggling retirees to care about because the usual quick sidebar filtering really is not sufficient in uncovering trends and blorbos... like i want to argue that hockey fandom is actually active-ish in discovering new ship narratives and making edits and posts for them on tumblr/twitter, or like... idk, there are SOME concerted efforts from fandom to identify >This is a potential ship/pairing for this team!< etc., but that identification just doesn't really translate to a large quantity of fic because there are too many combinations spread out across "fandom" (maybe trying to call it one fandom is a disservice to the Hockey Community as a whole too but that's for another day).

like the problem with hockey really is that 1) the Old Established Ships (sidg, kzr) remain near the top after all this time, which when you think about it is kind of a reflection of "live die retire with this team" LegacyCulture that hockey is especially prone to, and then also 2) brother forget about PLAYERS we've got 32 teams in the league! and assuming 23 roster spots that's 253 possible combinations per team and 8096 across the league *without* any cross-shipping which of course is a huge aspect you can't overlook. like sure i'd say at least 70%? of roster spots in a season will never have fic written about them but there still lies some value of ambiguity in the possibilities there. basically what i'm getting at is that maybe you have to set your expectations SUPER low to engage in hrpf analysis and that it's necessary to reframe something like 10 fics in a year for one ship as being actually kind of good or as being one of the top pairings for a team's fandom and not bottom of the barrel niche "rarepair material"....... in this day and age. and i know like "what are all the ships in a fandom" is very basic data collection but just because of sidebar filter limitations + nature of archive locking these "small-ish" pairs are hard to get pure numbers for unless you go through the trouble of scraping collective tag metadata yourself.

like this was from my old post on girlrock but it's a whole different beast to be finding lifetime ships that have a high enough threshold of fic you can easily sort out and then like... ships that people might kind of care about in niche subpockets of fandom over a specific timeframe but that haven't experienced enough longevity for you to really speak on yet. like i remember being mildly surprised that fandom characters like jh86 were still so far off the map lol


anyway wrote literally the dumbest python script ever so i could just extract relationship tags specifically from all the hrpf fic published since jan 01, 2022, aka the last year + 2 months. i chose this timeframe because a) too lazy to do more and b) i'm curious to understand what its RECENT fandom trends have looked like and i thought a year would give enough context in showing new narratives/ships without restraining the sample size too much. then i aggregated all the instances (i had 1457 total tags) in a spreadsheet and did some very arbitrary cleaning... this is extremely not sophisticated work lol but basically >collapsed "(implied) (past) (one-sided)" etc. tag identifiers into one (in the end i still had some minor fic count discrepancies with the biggest ships which i'm attributing to server-side tag formatting shenanigans but the data seems mostly correct from the others i sanity checked), >deleted platonic relationships, wag ships, gm/hc ships, "reader" ships, and... that's it. also had to wrangle threesomes + hughesbro lastname formatting somewhat clumsily which makes me realize i didn't do this properly for the tkachuks but whatever just use context clues. it's fine. and i always struggle with team assignments sometimes because i think it's best to default to current team no matter what for objectivity + consistency's sake but it's also like... i'm very much aware that for some of these ships every single fic was written when all the players were under a certain team and i worry about eliminating important context in pretending otherwise. alas....... BYOCC (bring your own context clues).

tbh i don't know IF i really found anything out from doing this lol but it's just fun to make lists. i ended up with 88 ships that have had 7 fics written using their relationship tag since jan 01, 2022. you may be wondering "why did you choose that as the cut-off" and it's just that 5 seemed too low and then 10 felt too limiting... yeah it's that dire out in hockey land lol so i was like 7 it is. i don't know man. here's a slightly choosier overview of all the ships that have had at least 15 fics though:



not a surprising turnout but it's useful to have a lot of the cross-team ships contextualized in a larger table. that is, a majority of these ships follow the usual teammates/used-to-be teammates archetype (usually 2 young star/promising players, C and his A, or in the 1386 case both), but you obviously also have new-age cheesby (mattdrai) and the somehow still-breathing carcass of mceichel. then the next few "seemingly" cross-team pairings are all from the umich dynasty (opkj, brissbords) or its adjacent ntdp implications (jhtd). it does kill me that in the end no one is quite as cross-team bicycled as the Two Main Generational Talents but i feel like the circumstances surrounding how and why they were shipped with those people are so different... like crosby/mackinnon is such a different beast from mcdavid/strome lol but to see them stand out in a sea of teammate4teammate is kind of knocking me out. even though i do not care about him kind of sad that dstrome has been cosplaying as adjusted normie girldad ever since dildo episode because i feel like it would have been funny if he'd managed to revive rpf blorbo narratives for himself in washington lol. i expressly do not follow the caps though so i wouldn't even know if it happened

also kweekes voice Keep an eye out on Number 29 👁 the fact that they aren't that far off of bennguin lol......... the stars are in a new era fr it's just that when things peaked they Peaked and now every effort pales in nostalgic comparison (for collective fandom that is because i was bennguin hater as a teenager so i actually actively prayed on their downfall. but that's neither here nor there). maybe fandom can just be the same 5 people engaging in characterization sewer ball via convoluted tumblr tags

also looked at some team-specific stats to better contextualize team ficdom success/representation... florida feels like such a poser because it's really just tkachuk/guys who were traded but whatever... i just think it's interesting to see what the # of fic for the biggest ship on each team has been (as in any ship the team is represented in, even if it's cross-team!) because some of these teams are STRUGGLING; it's really fascinating to realize that no ship on the canucks has surpassed 16 in the past year+ when epbb enjoyed a relative amount of fandom success during their peak... 189 lifetime works but only 16 since the end of 2021 and 4 in the entire 2022-23 season lol.


^ you can also see at the bottom that only three teams (TBL, ARI, STL) don't have a single ship with at least 7 works since jan2022. which does kind of make you wonder when the cup-winning teams from 2009-2018 were PIT x3 (8771; C/A) CHI x2 (1988; C/A) BOS (pbbm; C/A, even if not at the time) LAK (jcmr) and WSH (819; C/A) and then since then we've had STL, TBL x2, and finally COL lol........... hm. the thing that also fascinates me is that like... ok i don't want to get too into it but i just find it interesting that 1988 are still as big as they are sometimes even though stl are like established villainous team and everyone hates binnington etc. and i'm not saying that People who still like the hawks and People who hate the blues are inclusive categories (actually they probably are but for divisional reasons not ethical consumption of fandom reasons) but it's like ....? clearly no amount of character death can deter the most passionate of fans so i think it really is old lore and habits dying hard.

also it seems like metro has the best parity/relative consistent spread across team fandoms while central is a true deadzone........ sadge


dallas breakdown


boston are also on top for "unique players represented" which is interesting because trevor zegras, jack hughes, etc. get bicycled a lot but boston truly have Established Pairings.


anaheim lol



oh maybe i should actually evaluate player bicycling one second. the sebastianvettelification of sidney crosby.............. guys with at least 24 works (from the ships with 7+ works):


this took me back to my "what's in a pick" analysis and how the median draft position for the top 20 lifetime ships was 3.5 (mean 18.08, mean for the better half of the pairing 5.65)...... was wondering before i color-coded the table whether propensities have been different as of late with recent trending ships, but it didn't feel like anything would have become more "equitable" just from my eye test and intuition LOL. and...


yeah that tracks.

i'll stop here 😔🙏 why does this latest tripleS ep kind of serve cunt severely btw...

edit: omg i need to fix giroux -> ott LMFAO i'll change it later maybe
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